if a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is there ...
maybe part of my question should have been:
what is the relationship (if any) between "objective" and "subjective"? and what is the role of "context" in both/either?
i do not tend to think in terms of "objectivity", since everything i experience is, kind of by definition, "subjective". so where does that leave "objective" (when used as an adjective, rather than a noun, of course)? fuck if i know.
for folks that do see some ideology or principle (or whatever) as objectively true/correct, i wonder how they view subjectivity? how is one discerned from the other? does something being "objective" imply some higher force/power/dogma/whatever-the-fuck, which imbues it with that (supposed) correctness? that is where this question relates to anarchic perspectives, for me.
"what if salt doesn't dissolve in water, and instead water eats the salt?"
dd, i don't think that speaks to how some physical realities may be seen as objective, so much as it speaks to how that physical reality (water mixed with salt) is perceived/understood, and how it came to be that way.
and even that "physical reality" (water mixed with salt), i could easily view as a "shared subjective reality" (which is how i tend to think of it). is that really different than saying "objective reality"? depends on your perspective. ack! infinite recursive loop!
dot: "subjectivity (aka interpretation) cannot be divorced from language. there is no neutral or objective language."
interesting. i kind of like that idea, though i am not sure i fully agree (or even fully understand). i mean, take the statement: "it is raining". as per an exchange over in the eprime thread, that could be seen as "objective", compared to an eprime alternative such as "i see/hear/feel rain". (of course that assumes everyone means the same thing by "rain").
or have i misunderstood?
i do not have the same relationship with language that many - especially writers - seem to. for me, language is a mere tool; a means to an end (the end being clarity and mutual understanding in communication). to some, language appears to be an end in itself. and i can absolutely appreciate that, at times.